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Post by fabio on Jul 12, 2010 9:51:03 GMT -3
Eu não sei porque o pessoal acha que a luz é das coisas mais absurdas da série, qualquer coisa mais literal que eles tentassem fazer seria pior. A luz era o caminho mais 'lógico' de simbolizar o coração da ilha, não achei péssimo não. O pior seria se tudo fosse um sonho, ai sim era para frustar tudo e todos.
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Post by Lucas on Jul 12, 2010 12:09:52 GMT -3
A luz era o eletromagnetismo, molecada.
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Post by Luiz on Jul 12, 2010 15:46:59 GMT -3
Mas é, Fabio. A luz e todo o mecanismo dela é provavelmente a coisa mais absurda da série. A resposta mais plausível é que ela é o eletromagnetismo mesmo, mas ela também é apresentada pela mãe do Jacob como "a luz existe em cada uma das pessoas" (pffff...). Não que eu esteja cobrando coerência disso tudo (se cobrasse, teria odiado a finale), mas é quase decepcionante percorrer seis temporadas e a resposta de tudo ser uma luz numa caverna.
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Post by Lucas on Jul 12, 2010 17:47:12 GMT -3
A questão principal da série sempre foi Fé x Ciência, e essa luz é praticamente uma síntese disso. Pode ser que seja um amontoado de eletromagnetismo e o Homem de Preto quando caiu lá dentro foi transformado em milhares de pequenas partículas eletromagnetizadas (eu não sou físico, give me a break), pode ser que ela seja a bondade do ser humano que todo mundo tem dentro de si ou pode ser o amor do nosso Senhor Jesus Cristo, mas o que ela é não é realmente o mais importante, e sim o que ela significa para os personagens nesse último ato da série. Aliás, é aí que reside meu problema com a luz. Me incomoda bem mais o fato de terem inserido um elemento tão importante da mitologia na reta final do programa do que o próprio conceito dele (e isso serve também em parte pros flash-limbo que só surgiram na última temporada). Não acho Across the Sea o pior episódio da História da Televisão Mundial, como alguém andou pintando por aqui na época (não lembro quem foi, vocês brancos são todos iguais pra mim), mas também vejo muitas falhas nele. A maior dela sendo a personagem da Mãe, apresentada apenas para lançarem todos os mistérios da série pra mais alguém. E percebam como Lost SEMPRE fez isso: na primeira temporada, a Rousseau parece ser a detentora das respostas, mas depois descobrimos que ela está tão perdida quanto nós e ela passa o bastão pra Dharma, que passa pro Ben, que passa pro Richard, que passa pro Jacob, só para então percebermos que esse último também não sabe de nada, apenas segue ordens de sua mãe, que provavelmente também seguia ordens do guardião anterior da Ilha e assim por diante. Ir descobrindo aos poucos que aquilo que você considerava a coisa mais importante da série não passava de mais uma peça do quebra-cabeça sempre foi legal, mas perceber que no fim das contas, esse quebra-cabeça é impossível de ser montado acabou sendo um pouco frustrante. Mas não me levem a mal, eu não sou um desses chatos que ficam reclamando da falta de respostas. Como disse a Ana Maria Bahiana (em um texto que eu não vou linkar por preguiça, mas que vocês encontram lá no blog dela), uma das grandes sacadas de Lost foi ter deixado tantas questões no ar (assim como o lapso de tempo entre a morte de Jack e ele virando anjo), porque assim os caras conseguiram manter a mitologia viva pra sempre. Sem contar que dá pra usar um pouco da imaginação e/ou permitir certas licenças poéticas para tirar conclusões satisfatórias. E convenhamos, saber exatamente quem foi que construiu a estátua egípcia, como caralhos que os egípcios foram parar na ilha e acabaram hieroglifando todo o lugar ou o porquê do Pierre Chang ficar trocando de nome de vídeo em vídeo não é e nunca foi o mais importante de Lost e pode ser facilmente deduzido. O problema são aqueles algumas coisas que simplesmente não fazem o menor sentido e são sim mancadas por parte dos roteiristas, como aquela remessa de comida da Dharma, aquele tiroteio no barquinho ou as INÚMERAS incoerências daquelas regras entre o Jacob e o Monstro (Por que o Monstro não pode entrar no Templo se o Dogen estiver lá dentro? Por que o Homem de Preto não podia simplesmente pegar um barco e ir pra casa? Por que ele não girou a roda depois? Por que não podia matar os candidatos do Jacob? Tudo isso foi um COMBINADO dos dois?). Mas enfim, no geral gosto da série, etc
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Post by Luiz on Jul 12, 2010 19:01:16 GMT -3
Vou postar aqui um texto tirado do imdb que responde a várias questões (ou pelo menos tenta), mesmo sem conseguir responder tantas outras, como o porquê das mulheres grávidas na ilha morrerem, o que significava aquele "it worked" da Juliet e QUE MALDITAS REGRAS SÃO ESSAS?!?
1. What is the Island? A “cork” that holds back evil from the world.
2. What happens if evil escapes? The world ends.
3. How? Doesn’t matter. It ends. Evil wins. Can’t let that happen.
4. So what was going in with the island while the cork was out? It was being destroyed. The “Evil” was escapee and destroying the world. Starting first with what was closest to it; The Island. Possibly, had the cork not been put back the spread of destruction would have continued until the world was gone all together. So think of it was when the plane took off, they would never find a place to land because everything would be gone.
4. What is “The Light”/”The Source”? Its the source of good and evil. Essentialy it’s life and death incarnate.
5. What happens when you touch “The Source”? Depends on what kind of person you are. Evil from “The Source” incarnate MIB’s body because he was evil and took the form of the smoke monster.
6. Why didn’t Demond die touching the Source? He was immune to large amounts of electromagnetism due to his experience in the hatch.
7. Why didn’t Jack die touching the Source? He sacrificed himself to the Island. The island accepted him as sacrifice for good so he was able to survive the sources attempt to take over him.
8. Who is Jacob? Jacob is the Protector of “The Source”. He has many mysterious powers that are suppose to aid him in his duty.
9. What does that mean exactly? It means its his job is to make sure not only does the Source not escape into the world, but people can not find it either. If they do, they become infected with whatever side of the Source they are more relatable with. It they are good they wouldn’t be after the light to begin so it’s never reacted that way to someone. If they are bad, Evil from the source consumes them.
10. Who is the MIB? The Man In Black, is Jacob’s twin brother.
11. Why is he Evil? Jacob made him touch the Source and evil consumed him.
12. Why does he want to leave the island. His human form wanted to leave, when he was consumed and transformed into the smoke monster his memories are still a part of him. Now he is just a smoke monster but still with the urge to leave the island.
13. Why can’t he leave? Rules set in place by various protectors. These rules are the only constant within the Lost universe. They must be followed.
14. What happens if they aren’t followed? It doesn’t matter. They simply can’t be broken just like the laws of gravity.
15. Why did Flocke (Monster in locke form) want Desmond to open the cork? He thought that it would reset the rules and hed be allowed to leave.
16. Why did Jack want Desmond to open the cork? He thought that it would help him defeat the monster.
17. Who was right/wrong? They were both right and wrong. Flocke was right because it did reset the rules. But wrong because it made him vulnerable. Jack was right because it did help him defeat the monster. But wrong because the open cork was destroying the world.
18. How did the Monster become vulnerable? With the open cork, the Source was escaping. The Source within the MIB left his body to join the escaping source. Making him human again and in the form of whomever he was in that moment; Locke.
19. Why couldn’t the smoke monster fly off the Island? Two reasons; the rules and because he can’t fly over water. Much like hover boards.
20. Why can’t the monster kill candidates? The rules and because Jacob touched them. Leaving part of him inside them. And since the MIB can’t kill Jacob, he can’t kill Jacob’s Candidates.
21. What is a candidate? Jacob’s band of people who he has chosen to replace him. Any one of them can step in take the job.
22. With Jacob dead, why can’t the Smoke Monster leave. Part of Jacob is alive in the remaining candidates.
23. Who are the Others? Inhabitants on the Island.
24. Why do they Others hate the 815ers? Because they threaten their lifestyle. Simple as that. Same reason the Others massacred the Dharma Initiative?
25. Who are the Dharma Initiative? Researchers and Scientists who in the 70‘s studied the island’s different scientific properties.
26. Why does the island have these properties? Defects of the Source.
27. Who is Widmore? Widmore used to be the Leader of the Others.
28. Why does he want the Island so bad? He wants power, people want what they can’t have, and because he wants revenge on Ben for banishing him.
29. Who is Ben? Ben was a leader of the Others. He was once the son of a member of the Dharma Initiative but after turning evil, grew up and led the massacre against them. \
30. Why is Ben evil? He was submerged into the water at the temple. The water saved his life, but made him mostly evil.
31. Why does the water at the temple make people Evil? Effect from the Source.
32. Who built _______? The foot statue, the temple, etc. Doesn’t matter. It’s not important to the story.
33. Who built the Stations? The Dharma initiative. Each station has a different reason for being. Some for study some for other reasons.
34. What is the Swan Hatch? A Dharma Initiative Station built in order to harness and hatch a electromagnet pocket beneath the ground of the island.
35. Why was Desmond in the Hatch? He was shipwrecked on the Island and rescued by a grandfathered Dharma Initiative member who taught him to push the button in the Hatch and then attempted to escape the Island without telling Desmond. Desmond killed him leaving him the sole person to push the botton.
36. What happens when the button isn’t pushed. Electromagnetic energy starts to escape. This also causes an EMP blast.
37. Why did light 815 crash? Desmond failed to push the button just as the plane flew over the island. The EMP caused the crash.
38. What is the donkey wheel? Its a turn table that is linked to the Source of the island. It activates random functions whenever turned. It’s only constant is that it teleports whomever turned it to a desert in Syberia (or wherever).
39. Why did ben turn the Wheel? He thought it would move the Island and help them escape temporarily Widmore and his freighter of bandits.
40. What did it really do? It caused the Island and its current (the people on the island during the wheel turn) to start jumping back and forth through time. This as fatal effect on people causing Charlotte to die.
41. If the Island was jumping through time, why did it dissappear? The island is always moving. Lets say the island was near australia when the wheel was turned. And it jumped to 1980 during its first cycle. And it 1980 the island was near africa. Instantly the island jumped back in time and location to wherever it is in 1980.
42. Why did Locke turn the Wheel? He thought it would take him off the island.
43. What did it do? It took him off the island but also stopped the time jumping and its fatal effect. Leaving the Losties in/wherever the island was after one final flash. 1976 circa.
44. Why did the Oceanic 6 have to return to the island? Ben didn’t know him turning the wheel fixed the time flashes. He thought he needed to bring everyone back in order to fix it. He told them they needed to come back.
45. Why did 5 of the Oceanic 6 come back to the Island? They each had different reason. Jack; thought he had to save the island. Kate; to find Claire. Sun; to find Jin. Hurley; felt guilty about lying and leaving everyone behind. Sayiid; was dragged back by Illana under orders from Jacob.
46. Why couldn’t they go back individually? Simple, the Island wouldn’t allow it. Everyoen needed to come back. Needed to come back together. Much like a security alarm code. The circumastances needed to be right. Hence why Hurley had a guitar and why Locke and Ben came back.
47. Why didn’t Aaron need to come back? Simple, it wasn’t his destiny. The Island simply didn’t need or want him.
48. What is the important of Walt and why is he special? He’s not. He was probably once a candidate but thats about it. Forget about him.
49. What happened when the bomb went off? Nothing. It released the pocket of Electromagnetic Force and the Dharma Initiative built the Hatch in oder to house it. There was no alternate time line created because that is what happened. The Losties where always part of the reason the hatch was built. Like the words in a book, things are the way the are and there is nothing that can be done to change the past or future. The only thing it did was expose them to the Electromagnetic Force and send them back to present time where they belong.
50. What are the side flashes? Purgatory. Everyone in the side flashes are either people stuck in between life and after life because they have not accepted their death or life OR are imaginary people made up by the people in purgatory that they interact with. This means Jack’s son, is a made up image created by the purgatory Jack and Juliette.
51. Why are things in the side flashes the way they are, (like jack having a son, Hurley being successful, and the island being sunk) ? Because the minds of the purgatory people made it that way. Essentially, the world they created with purgatory is their perfect world.
52. Why were people in the Church at the end and what happened to them? Everyone in the Church were the purgatory incarnations of those whose lives revolved around the Island or people on the Island. The island was the most important part of their lives and now that they are dead they had never had closure with with the Island. They had to come together to remember and cope with what happened on the Island in order to move on. They all moved on to the afterlife, whatever you think that means.
53. Why wasn’t Ben in the Church? He wasn’t Ready to move on.
54. Why wasn’t Ana Lucia in the Church? She wasn’t ready to move on maybe her life didn’t revolve around the island it wasn’t what she needed to cope with in purgatory.
55. Why wasn’t Walt in the Church? His life didn’t revolve around the Island. Maybe his purgatory is him accepting the death of his parents. Or maybe he never went to purgatory.
56. If Sawyer, Desmond, Hurley, etc are alive at the end of the show. Why are they in the side flashes? Because they died eventually. The side flashes aren’t happening at the same time as real life. Think of it as a GIGANTIC flash forward taking place after everyone involved has died. So far into the future that even Hurley and Ben are dead.
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Post by Luiz on Jul 12, 2010 21:35:12 GMT -3
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Post by bakunin on Aug 31, 2010 11:42:29 GMT -3
Acho que a Juliet tava grávida, manos (ver e reparar no 5x17). Acho que um "it worket" referenciando a questão da gravidez na ilha e também a própria gravidez (talvez existam umas paradas ocultas em Lost, tipo, podemos supor que a Juliet e o Sawyer tentaram ter um filho) faria muito mais sentido do que um "it worked" referenciando a realidade paralela que, convenhamos, não existe.
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Post by Lucas on Aug 31, 2010 13:51:46 GMT -3
E o melhor é que você nem precisou forçar nada pra chegar a essa conclusão.
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Post by Luiz on Aug 31, 2010 14:11:34 GMT -3
Eu já me esqueci do 5x17. O que acontece que te faz crer que a Juliet estava grávida?
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Post by bakunin on Sept 1, 2010 10:28:07 GMT -3
Hahahaha, não, mas é sério. Eu até já vi algumas pessoas concordarem com isso. Lembro que quando a quinta temporada acabou eu tinha certeza que ela tava grávida. Primeiro por causa do flashback dela, onde ela e a irmã sofrem com a separação dos pais. A Juliet só teria voltado pra ilha (eles estavam indo embora no submarino) temendo que o mesmo acontecesse com ela e Sawyer, e a vida do recém-concebido bastardo tbm fosse afetada por isso. E também por causa do diálogo rápido que ela teve com o Bernard sobre chá: inclusive, no site que eu peguei essa foto o cara também achou: " JULIETMy heart sank on several occasions, the first of which was when Juliet noticed Sawyer's look at Kate during Rose and Bernard's love speech. The second time was when they gave her a brief flashback without a Jacob appearance. I knew it was the end of the road for my favorite Lost character of all time. p.s. I totally thought I was right about her being pregnant when she had her hand on her stomach and Bernard offered her tea. " --- Assim, mas é claro que isso é bem masturbação intelectual, algo que não tem tanta relevância, etc. Eu só acho meio divertido
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Post by Luiz on Sept 1, 2010 15:24:37 GMT -3
Eu não achei sua teoria furada, é bem interessante, aliás. Perguntei porque eu realmente me esqueci da finale, hehe.
Anyway, ainda acredito mais na possibilidade dela ter dito isso por ter atingindo o purgatório, que para ela, naquele momento, era o mundo sem o acidente, o que significava que a bomba tinha funcionado. Tanto que quando ela acorda depois que o Sawyer aparece para tentar salvá-la dos escombros, ela diz "it didn't work, we're still on the island" e quando estava prestes a morrer, falou "it worked". Se fosse pra dizer que tava grávida, teria dito outra coisa.
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Post by luiz mgl on May 23, 2011 20:11:37 GMT -3
UM ANO SEM LOST
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Post by luiz mgl on May 23, 2011 20:58:38 GMT -3
3 deliciosÃssima > 1 > 2 > 4 > 5 > 6
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Post by Lucas on May 23, 2011 21:11:44 GMT -3
QUEM SOBREVIVEU?
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Post by fabio on May 23, 2011 21:33:23 GMT -3
VINCENT
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